Is Your Church Infiltrated?

If you’re a Christian, how much do you know about your church? Its pastor? The groups it supports and associates with?

Many mainstream denominations have been taken over from within—deliberately—by individuals directed by the Kingdom of Satan who are weaponized to take them down.

Maybe you didn’t know there was a Kingdom of Satan. Maybe it’s news that there’s a Kingdom of God as well, and, really, those are the only 2 choices I think there are, given some pretty extensive study on the occult in the past few years.

Which one do you support? Which has a hold on you? Which does your church promote? You’ll be surprised how many pastors are working for Lucifer while professing to be Christian. It’s astonishing.

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welcome to testimony Mountain it's such a joy to be here with Veronica Swift and

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if you are not familiar with her really encourage you to check out her blog do you want to share a little bit Veronica

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where people can connect with you sure good morning Adena it's lovely to see

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you again and speak with you I've been looking forward to this um so I write a

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blog and I publish it at Veronica swift. blog online and right now I've got

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350 posts over the past three years that I've written that deal with a wide

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variety of issues most of them connected to the occult um they range from

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Freemasonry to church infiltration to uh practices of these people um to the

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people who are actually involved that we see every day in newspapers or in magazines to the people who have come

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out and are talking about it so I draw on 50 60 70 whistleblowers that have

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come out of these practices and I try to compile their Revelations into

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bite-sized pieces that people like me can kind of sort of begin to wrap our

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head around because it's really not an easy thing to understand something that's been highly hidden from us that's

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what the word occult means is hidden so learning about all these things has been

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quite an adventure so I I I made a deal with God when I first started this I'm like well I'll do it but somebody else

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has got to be you go to at least send me one person who's got to be interested in this because I'll write these things if

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if one person reads them then I'll be Satisfied it won't just be an exercise for me myself and I right um and he

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did and he sent me a few people and uh and and a

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lot of them have have communicated with me that they find it valuable so so that's why I do it and that's where you

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can find me and it is because of the subject matter and because of the um harassment that I received for having

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put these this information out compiled it and put it out into the public it is unfortunately behind a pay wall however

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it's not terribly expensive so if you subscribe you'll have access to all 350 of those books post plus about a

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thousand references which include transcripts from just about everything that I've drawn from so if you need to

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find where I got it from you can so that's where I am at mostly I'm also at

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Veronicas swift. locals.com if you want to come and ask me other questions that's where you can find me

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so I so appreciate you Veronica because of you know you're not a Survivor this

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wasn't your background uh and so you are really an advocate for survivors and I so

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appreciate that role that you play and your skill in just being able to put

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things in like you said bite-size pieces for people to understand and so just

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encouragement if you have people who struggle with uh this kind of topic is

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Veronica is a great resource for um

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gently getting that out to them in ways that they can understand hopefully yeah

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and that's kind of where we wanted to jump in today in just that uh you know

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it is hard to get this information out there and we were talking about is the church ready because the challenge is

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that uh the church has been heavily infiltrated I believe every denomination

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has been infiltrated yes and so every Christian should know and understand

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some of these principles yeah uh I I agree and it's

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really sad to me every time I turn around especially lately I see another bit of information that says okay this

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denomination this is how they started out or this is what has happened with them and I I have yet I think to find

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pretty much any mainstream Protestant church denomination in the US that

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hasn't been affected by the occult which is a hard thing to say because I grew up

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in a mainstream Protestant church and I have had to to reformulate some of my

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ideas about what they're doing and why they're there and what the purpose is and and unfortunately I've even taken to

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calling my former Church sort of you know potluck Christianity because that's kind of what it's become

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it's not deeply spiritually connected it's not deeply connected to Jesus it's

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not deeply connected to the word it's not deeply connected to biblical

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principles even um it is and has been deeply

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undercut by the social justice kind of wokeism apparatus um as I think many

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have even the ones that don't think they have been I I took to going for a while to a cons conservative Lutheran Church

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with a family member and even there I had to listen to why we have to be uh

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good neighbors and listen carefully to all of these crazy ideas from the

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political realm that are so anti-christian that it's not even funny

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um yeah it's it's it's sad and and unfortunately what's even more sad is that this is not a just a new thing it's

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not just the new modern day ideas that have dug in and really taken over it's

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also very old like I also read recently about how um the the congregational

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churches in certain States you know in the late 1700s when when just pre-

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becoming a nation you know the 1770s kind of idea that they were state

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sponsored churches and they were heavily infiltrated by the Collins family which

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if you know anything about the occult you'll know that the Collins family is one of the high high level bloodline

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surnames um they are the big Wich and warlocks big big bad evil wites and

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warlocks um and they they had a part in the congregationalist church formation

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and then their spin-off to I believe Unitarianism and a couple other denominations they were big at

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undercutting and undermining and that's not the only one you think back to the latter the Church of Jesus Christ the

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Latter Day Saints otherwise known as Mormons you're back to an individual whose family Joseph SM family was is in

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the occult heavily in the occult they they were uh their family one of their

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family businesses was um archaeology they they went around looking for

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religious artifacts and digging them up and he was big into scrying and he was

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being into this term called ceiling which I've had some um arguments recent

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arguments with people behind the scenes ceiling is a very occult it's a very witchcraft practice and the LDS church

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has a lot of ceiling rituals um that go along with it and these have been revealed and and brought out by

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individuals like um Gerald sand Tanner they wrote the couple of different books

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on the LDS church in Witchcraft and there are even younger kids who have

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come out of the eldas tradition who are on YouTube now talking about these things in the open which is very very

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frowned upon the eldest church is very insular and they don't they don't usually let these kinds of rituals

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things from the inner sanctum out into the wild but a lot of that information has been coming out so yeah

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there's there isn't and I'm not picking on these particular individual denominations you could talk about

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almost any of them Catholicism for example I was just listening to a video by Bill Schnoebelen yesterday and this

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morning and he said that in his practice of becoming uh a a a higher level I don't

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know if he called it warlock or witch or what exactly he called it but in leveling up in his occult tradition

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because he was an occultist before he um turned to to Christ he said he had to

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actually become an oldtime Catholic priest wow within the occult tradition

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to then be able to do the the rituals that were evil I mean it sounds odd it

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doesn't it sound like it sounds mind-blowing it sounds like this can't actually be true then you look at Jessie

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Czebotar’s reveals about the priests of the Cath Catholic church and the Bishops and the archbishops and some of the higher

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even higher level people you look at the Vatican that's full of people who are in

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the Brotherhood so it it crosses all what you would call quote unquote Christian traditions and it's so

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incredibly sad it is and for me it is personal um you know my journey is still

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unfolding but um you know it's probably a year and a half ago that the Lord did

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show me that that's was their target for me that I would be you know not a big

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major christian leader but a a mid-level Christian leader who would in some way

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you know destroy or bring down the church and so you know that was quite

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shocking uh when the Lord revealed that to me um and you know has been part of

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my journey of going well I'm going to do just the opposite expose all of this stuff and

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yep the enemy is not going to win on this one and so that's my determination they're they you're not

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alone either I mean they have sent so many people some of which have just destroyed me my heart because they were

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um individuals that I listened to when I was a kid or even older you think to the

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to the Billy grahams and people are still stunned that Billy Graham was a high level Mason and a high level

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occultist and a a child abuser p pedop file You Name It We don't know everything that he did his son Franklin

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Graham has been named as well yeah um who's the guy who was at the Crystal

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Robert Schuller yes and his family so we're not just talking about the the

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pastors we've heard names like Joel Osteen we've heard other people say

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other names so lots of these big mega churches are definitely not headed up by

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individuals who have been trained by reputable um institutions they've been

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trained by the Brotherhood to to come in and take over and they get pushed up to the top levels and supported and and

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they may say some good things but then you got to wonder what percentage of the things they do say are specifically

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designed to either take down the church or deceive the people into thinking that

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what they're doing or saying is Christianity when in fact it might not be so is it 80% is it 90% are we getting

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10 20 30% what's the you know this is the big question that's on everybody's mind is what percentage of the people

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not just in the churches but in general what percentage of the white hat what percentage of the alt media what percentage of of what are we getting

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because people are starting to wake up to the fact that we are being fed a line and it's coming from a lot of different

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directions but that must have made you feel horrible yeah it's it's been a challenge

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um to face some of the memories that the Lord has surfaced um in that and and I

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would say you know I was raised in the Seventh Day Adventist Church which you know in some ways you would think

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pristine and all of that and some of those things would not be Ault or connected governmentally and different

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things but that's part of the way they hide things yeah and then you know we left that went into the vineyard

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movement and into some other charismatic movements and and so on um and it it's

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interesting because even the um the group that we were just uh sort of still

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part of but I feel like I'm a missionary to them um when I asked the Lord how many of the general people uh had a

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background in mind control and I felt like he said 50 to 70% yeah um I was at another more

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Mainline charismatic church and I asked the Lord the question there and he I felt like he said 30% um and so you know

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it is in every church both leadership and in the congregation yeah and you

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know not to be freaked out over these things but that we know who wins in the

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end and we can be either part of the problem or we can be part of the solution exactly exactly and we can't be

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part of the solution if we have no idea what's going on and most of us I'll be frank most of us not only do not know

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what's going on but have a real big resistance to being led to the the real

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information the truth information that's going on and I say that because I was one of them you know I did not come to

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this position this is not an easy place to be I'll say that um it's not easy

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information to have to digest and it is certainly not easy information to have to incorporate into

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your yeah I don't you know your being in a sense because it takes all of you to

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really grasp it and grock it and come to you know to terms that the life you've

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lived and the things you've learned and the things you've learned I mean the amount of time they spend forcing us to

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learn crap that is you know is to our detriment just irritates the bejeepers

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out of me it really does makes me so mad I spent time on that really you gotta be

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kidding me because then you have to not only did you have to spend the time learning it but you have to spend the time unlearning it and relearning

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something else yeah they waste our time they waste a lot of our time so yeah

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that's one of the things that I hope to do with the blog is to take that amount of time you know I've got the time but a

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lot of people don't so you can consol you can cons if I can consolidate that then other people can learn a

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little bit quicker and from the amount of push back I'm getting uh I think it's valuable even if it is behind a pay wall

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yes um so there is that you kind of gauge kind of engaged by who who's

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getting beaten up by the enemy as to perhaps a little bit of what the truth is that's not always true that's not a

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fail safe but it it is a little bit of a clue yeah it's it's a a bigger thing

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than we understand and imagine and not to be freaked out over it again because our safety our protection is in the true

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Lord Jesus and we have to stay firmly there but I you know I've I've been

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pondering this in um some of you may know some of you may not

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Mike Bickle in the controversy with the International House of Prayer in Kansas City and I was intimately involved in

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that in that uh for six years I was an intercessory missionary in our local House of Prayer uh in

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California and so it was very much steeped in what was coming out of that and so the recent um sexual allegations

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and so on uh the prophetic man ulation uh has been horrendous and you know

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begins to make you question a a lot of other things and I do believe there is a

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true but a lot of what i is out there is twisted and so in all of the blogs and

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you know journalist stuff out there what I'm not hearing is any conversation

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about um it being part of mind control and um and I don't know for sure you

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know I I think when you've kind have been in the system you see these little breadcrumbs and you go you know I don't

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have solid evidence yet but there's enough pieces to begin to kind of go huh

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I think that there is something there and so I was just reading a article

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yesterday um that talked about in Freemasonry that um sodomy is considered

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is called the Key of David and that is a phrase um that Mike Bickle used quite a

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bit talking about the Key of David and that he was kind of a David and all of that and even with these allegations you

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know people go well yeah he's David well David messed up too well you know so he can he can be forgiven and restored and

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yes he is Forgiven um but when there is you know

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someone who is a known pedophile they should not be I don't believe in Ministry um and probably never um

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restored back to that and so it's it's hard stuff because it destroys people's Faith um you know the house of PR

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movement was so many young people yeah and so it's really

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rocked worldwide that segment of population so a couple three four five

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things come to mind um one is an article I did recently on the Dugger family and

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um their involvement in uh in in the group that you know their the whole

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family is involved in this this group that that reminded me quite frankly of light side of the system um very rigid

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very rule oriented very um very strict very uh controlled and so if you see

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something like that then you you're you can definitely say that's a clue to to

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move towards to look um to look at

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possible occult involvement uh that kind of thing that kind of

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rigidity and shame based treatment and fear-based

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Biblical teaching uh is not of Jesus Christ and it's not of God so if you've

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got that in a church then you're looking at what I would interpret as an infiltrated church at what level or what

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area you know it's hard to to pinpoint but I'd say that's one that's one key the other key is is anytime you're

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looking leaders leadership in a church that has been accused of child sexual

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activity with a child uh that's a im should be an immediate and alarming red

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flag and we've been uh desensitized to that because of so much of that happening in the Catholic church and so

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much of it never being um correctly processed through the courts the the pre

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the priests never being properly um jailed for what they've done uh and and

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the kids you know never healed because um of the way the the whole structure of

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the Catholic church is meant to to hide that so so I think we need to undo a

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little bit of our I don't want to say jadedness that's not the right word but

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some of the desensitization that has occurred yeah to this if you see that if

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it happens in the church or and you're talking this is a big big big bad bad

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sign because any Church leader no you shouldn't find any reputable Church

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leader um who ever gets accused of something sexually oriented with a kid

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or a teenager or whoever um so th that's that's a couple those are a couple

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thoughts well and with with Mike dickl it was a 14y old a 15y old and a 19y old

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um you know and it was interesting I was just listening to a um podcast C by Rick

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Joiner who also you know is a big name out there in the charismatic movement who is also you know um publicly uh what

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Knights of Malta or whatever so that that's a huge red flag there uh but he

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was basically saying that he he thinks he believes that all this the

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allegations are will eventually turn out to be a a nothing Burger is what he

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called it and was just and he was making it sound like the accusations were a

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worse sin than what Mike Bickle did and it it's such twisting of all of this stuff

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and I you know I that's classic Brotherhood the the blowing it off is classic Brotherhood they're going to say

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what they need to say to put people off the the trail so that nothing happens and mentally so that we're all duped

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into believing that you know a 40 50y old 60y old man having any kind of

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accusation or relations with a teenager is somehow okay that's that is

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definitely what they want us to believe I mean just look at what has is happening in the mainstream they are

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trying to make sexual involvement of adults with infants nor they're trying

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to normalize that they're trying to normalize it because it's part of what they do and so they want the rest of us

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to stop being offended by it and stop you know having the urge to to whack them over the head about it

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um which you know if this was the 1800s those those individuals could not say

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those things out loud you couldn't you wouldn't be able to say it out loud they'd be lynched they they'd be set upon by a mob and they would be no

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longer so that tells you the the amount of progress that the

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Brotherhood has made with the general population's idea of what is okay and what is not okay and what you can do

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about it and what what you can't and since they have all of the all of the

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people who quote unquote should be helping they've got the police they've got the CPS they've got the sheriff's

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departments now that used to be um pretty independent but there most of those are captured as well they have the

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judicial system they have the NOS that leas with all of this stuff they are in

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control of all of it yeah from what I can tell so there's nobody even to go to

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to get help you're going to be redirected wherever they want to redirect you and or case thrown out

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never heard plea bargained somebody pays someone off people just aren't getting

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um they aren't getting what they they their due but I'd say that anybody who well first of all Knights of Malta so

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that that would be pretty indicative it' be like a 98 to 100% chance that they're

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Brotherhood first of all so and and and second of all I think any any individual

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who um blows off yeah or tries to make someone believe

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that that adults interacting in that way with a teenage even a 19-year-old is

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acceptable really in this day and age is not so that's that's that I don't even know how you change people's mind about

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that now that's a big question I have is now that we have shifted the mindset how far are they going to be

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able to push it before people push back or have we gone so far that we're never going to be able to push back I know

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there are same people in the world and I know there are people like you and I cuz I talk to them who think that this stuff

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is not okay I think just a lot of us really don't know what to do about it per se um because it feels like a an

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out of control train a bus running down a hill with no breaks what do you do at that point how do you make these changes

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I'm not sure I I know enough about social engineering to have any answers for that but somebody out there needs to

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come up with some answers yeah well I know God has the answers I think one of the the challenging mindsets to break

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through is um understanding how you know the Brotherhood works in the light and

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dark side of the system as well as you have to have equal amount of good to

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outweigh evil that do right and so you know it's even like with Rick Joiner I I

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really enjoyed a lot of his books early on before I knew all of this yeah you

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know it was good stuff and it it impacted My Life um you know and so like

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with Mike Bickle and others you know look at him and go like well he spends hours a day in prayer and worship and

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you know he's so Godly how you know and so so does every so does every other witch in The Occult they all somebody

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said somebody asked me that the other day it's a fair point you know they they said um but you know which is in

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warlocks they can't pray to God I said oh yeah they can not only can they they do not only do they they use scripture

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all the time and they use it in a way that that is beneficial for them they use it right before before they go into

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a ritual they use it right before they ritually murder someone they they use it in a way and into a depth that is hard

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for most of us to imagine but no they're not immune to it at all if you listen on I've been listening to um an ex

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occultist on uh Aquarius Rising Africa Caleb Jade and his just his latest

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episode uh they're they're reading out of a a book I I can't I think it's

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called the arbital of magic and it's it it speaks of Jesus Christ it speaks of

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the Scripture it talks about Ecclesiastes it it mentions this and and

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and he says yeah because they use the Bible they use the Bible and they talk

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about it so that's one way they fool us into thinking that they're on the same side as we are or fool us into thinking

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that they're Christians but they're not yeah and I think the the mentality in

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Christianity tends to be you're either all good or you're all bad yeah and so

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that's the easy way to judge and classify instead of understanding you

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know all of us have a mixture but that's particularly how the cult works is to

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put on this beautiful front of perfection and devotion and good words

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all of that but behind the scene to be doing evil now the other complicating

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part of that is um whether they're co-conscious or not right because I wasn't

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co-conscious and you know I feel like my relationship with the Lord has been you

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know growing and has always been there but at the same time it was shut off

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from another part of me that wasn't so good yeah that I'm only now just discovering and and that you know there

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are times when it's like I'd like to go back to the good old days when yeah you know I could just be good but

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I I want the truth and um that's what I'm pursuing so just for people who

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don't understand co-consciousness that's a term that's used to describe someone

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who's been through such incredible horrific experiences so much trauma that

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they have to to be able to survive have had to compartmentalize and wall off

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experiences so that they don't have to remember or feel them in there every day

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walking about eating sleeping drinking life because as a child when you

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experience extraordinary trauma uh you really can't handle it

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especially sexual trauma there no no child is prepared emotionally mentally

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physically or neurologically I'd say for sexuality that is an adult experience

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that CH children's bodies can't really deal with very well and so a lot of this

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it doesn't even matter you don't have to have been in the the occult you don't have to have been mind controlled you don't have to have been programmed you

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can just have had a horrific sexual experience as a kid to have taken that experience and walled it off and then

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you don't remember it yeah and usually because of brain changes somewhere after

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the age of 30 um these walls that surround that particular memory start to

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break down it's a physiological thing that seems to happen it's why in the Brotherhood a lot of people who have a

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lot of trauma uh and who are slaves or sex slaves they they get terminated at

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the age of 30 32 33 somewhere in there because they're programming and they're

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they start to break down as human beings and they start to experience all these horrific memories that they haven't had

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to deal with on a daily basis and it can be awful so when you're dealing with that kind of stuff coming back into your

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life it can be difficult then once you get through and you process some of the

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memories sometimes you can talk those part there's little holes there's there's there's Windows through from one

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side to the other so that's what co-consciousness is when you can have these walled off pieces of yourself that

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you can peek in and see at and they can kind of talk to you and you can kind of talk to them so there's a little bit of

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information sharing um but even it's it's it's still such a painful thing

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that you don't have to deal with it full force 100% of the time it's a safety it's a safety thing so a lot of people

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don't have Consciousness until really later on when you've really dealt with a lot of the memories but that means that

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like you you're dealing with a lot of these memories coming up yeah which you know I'm grateful the

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Lord didn't permit the memories to come through there was there was breadcrumbs right you know looking back in my life

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but didn't until I turned 50 and um I'm grateful because of where I'm at

30:23

spiritually and understanding who God is that it's been easier to handle

30:28

um I think if if the memories had surfaced early when I begged God to show

30:34

me what is it you know I can handle it I don't think I would have been able to to

30:40

walk this journey out and so uh I'm grateful for his Mercy yeah but I think

30:45

it gives us compassion because every perpetrator abuser was originally a

30:51

victim and it doesn't excuse the horrendous stuff that they've done um

30:58

but because you know there's memories of me being a perpetrator too right um you

31:03

know I have compassion for you know these Christian leaders who are being exposed in this season and exposure is

31:11

necessary but I think when we can understand better what's going on um and

31:17

understand some of these things behind it and have the compassion of Jesus we can handle it um better than the

31:24

polarization which is what the Brotherhood wants you know where he people championing the victims and people championing the perpetrators

31:32

right but being able to go hey um all of these are God's children yeah and we've

31:38

got to in the light of God's love face all of it and bring it into the light

31:43

and Justice is yeah yeah Justice is a really hard word in this situation

31:48

Justice is almost something that can't be applied um here in the real world in a sense because of the familial and um

31:59

handed down from parent to child uh reality of what the Brotherhood

32:04

does this is a it's it's a way of being in certain

32:10

families and the children have it done to them and they grow up and then they

32:16

submit their own children to the same thing and it goes on generation after

32:22

generation after generation which is hard to imagine especially if you've grown up in a good family but if you've

32:28

grown up in one of these families and you're friends your that family is friends with you know a lot of other families who are doing the same thing it

32:34

feels very normal yeah it feels very regular and you don't see you know outside of that you can't peer into a

32:40

quote unquote normal family and say hey there's something wrong with what's going on in my life meanwhile as a child

32:47

you know you've been through such horri horrific stuff that you can't really remember it all you have a general memory that things aren't great you have

32:53

a general idea at times that something's not right perhaps but there's nothing concrete to go on so it it's a beautiful

33:01

system in the sense that it's allow the way that it's constructed it allows it

33:06

to continue which is why they have such a strangle hold on silence there's this

33:14

key of Silence there is a Code of Silence it's enforced it's it's you know

33:21

it's drilled in and and ground in to to children who who grow through go through

33:28

it and so they don't talk for a lot of a lot of the time which so people like

33:33

myself we have to talk for them I think you know because otherwise

33:39

what without exposure without exposure none of this comes down with exposure

33:44

they haven't got a leg to stand on and they know it and that's one of the things like with um the Mike Bickle

33:50

situation is you know if he had come out in the beginning and been heartfelt rep

33:58

repentant I think that you know there could have been um not restoration to

34:03

Ministry but restoration and there wouldn't have been all of this but when you see his buddies you know coming

34:10

around him and standing and the silence you know but I understand because of

34:15

being in the system that need to I've got to keep that front um you know I

34:22

think I've shared it before I used to cheat in school um and I justifi f it

34:28

because I was going to get an A anyway but I would be devastated by a 96% or a

34:33

98% you know and so if I could cheat I would you know right and so it's this so

34:38

strongly built into you I've got to keep this image in this front and this

34:44

Perfection and all of those kinds of things um when you know the true reality

34:49

which is so beautiful is that when we just bring everything into the light of Jesus's love that's where healing takes

34:56

place yeah that's really healing is possible and and I I think it's a far

35:03

it's a distant thought for so many people who think I am so far away from

35:08

being able to access that I can't even contemplate it I can't think about it

35:13

but it's there it is there and even if you can't accept it as being

35:22

real you can still pretend that it might be and move towards it yeah so it's fake

35:28

it till you make it kind of attitude you don't necessarily not everything we believe is true I hate the word belief

35:33

in a sense because it's it's based on our experiences for the most part and so it's hard to believe things that we

35:39

haven't experienced so if you haven't experienced the love of Christ it's hard to believe that it's there it's hard to

35:44

believe that it exists it's hard to believe that you can have it so don't believe it don't believe just pretend

35:51

pretend it's true and move towards it and eventually you'll probably find out that it is yeah then you don't have to

35:58

pretend anymore and it is it is hard and you know even I'm I'm grateful that enough

36:06

of me has been solidified um and enough understand the love of God that I'm able

36:11

to walk this out um but you know even recently I had some memory surface and

36:17

those parts of me were like this is unforgivable nobody can forgive me I'm not going to forgive myself you know

36:24

those types of things um and you know I'm just grateful for the grace of the

36:30

true Jesus to to be able to come and you know just minister to those places for

36:36

healing and so it is possible there there's a um a gravity

36:43

that children feel uh when anything goes wrong whether they're responsible for it or not but if

36:49

they are if they do happen to be not responsible in the sense that

36:54

that they thought it up I'm not talking about kids who are Psy Psychopaths I'm talking about kids who have been shoved

37:02

into a position they can't get out of like you were you were in a position you couldn't escape yeah you didn't have the

37:09

power you didn't have the strength you didn't have the knowhow and then having to do things that are so far out of

37:15

alignment with where your heart and your soul and your spirit are that can feel un unforgivable it can it can feel

37:23

unforgivable but it's not which is a nice thing and as an adult having an adult mind um it can take some time to

37:32

convince those child States yes that what they're feeling isn't true and

37:40

isn't reality yeah um but it is possible thank goodness definitely and I think the

37:47

other part of this conversation in in um talking about you know the church and

37:54

and this whole mind control um and walking it out is um understanding the

38:01

programming about false jesuses and that is significant as well um and

38:10

I've had to deal because of their role you know that they programmed me for you

38:15

know I've had to deal with a whole range of false jesuses from um you know what

38:21

came up as Jesuit jesuses which were you know robed figures that were beating me

38:27

with whip you know and that was that image of Jesus for those parts but also

38:32

more recently finding one that was um the name that came was agreeable Jesus

38:39

and compromising Jesus oh wow and so you know but I could feel the shift from who

38:47

true Jesus is to this other thing and so you know there's people out there that

38:52

have uh gone through this and they're sincerely believing that they're following Jesus

39:00

but it's probably a false one of these compromising jesuses and so they get

39:06

into this thing and it and it's hard to say to someone you know who's saying but

39:12

Jesus said to me or I you know I felt this is what Jesus said to be able to go

39:17

well I don't I don't know that that's the true Jesus right yeah that so that

39:23

goes back to testing the spirits you can test Jesus just like you test anybody else in the any other angel or demon or

39:31

whatever you might be encountering you can test them you can say are you the true Jesus the one and only son

39:40

of the God of all creation and for my understanding anyway

39:45

they have to answer yes and they cannot answer incorrectly or untruth so if you get a waffling answer shift that Jesus

39:53

straight out of your life move him to the Cur man out and gone

40:01

um yeah because the the the Angelic that are

40:08

subservient to our God yeah um have to say so they have to say so and so you

40:13

you should and you can test those Spirits all the time do it every time

40:19

anytime anytime you get a visitation from anybody who you don't know test

40:25

them and the the challenging part of that too is we're not wanting to engender fear about this conversation

40:32

because the true and real Jesus says my sheep hear my voice right and so that is

40:39

our inheritance our Birthright is to be able to hear and there's multitude of

40:44

things that shut that down trauma is one thing that shuts that down fear shuts that down lots of other things um yeah

40:52

the other part of this is it's not just other Spirits claiming to be Jesus but

40:58

in the programming is they actually program internal parts to be an internal

41:04

Jesus right and so then it's it is you know a different way to to work with

41:11

them to go actually you're not Jesus right you know and you were programmed

41:17

that way but that is not who you really are yeah and that's a that's a whole

41:22

other level of of difficulty yeah yeah yeah and so a lot of these things can

41:28

seem so challenging and overwhelming and I just encourage people when it begins

41:33

to feel overwhelming like this is too complicated I'm just going to throw it out is that place of just simple

41:43

relationship with the true Lord Jesus that is what it all boils down to and there's a Simplicity in that and I

41:49

believe that is the narrow way one of the ways one of the ways you can get out of your mind and by that I mean get out

41:57

of your thoughts um is to engage the other half of your brain so one half of

42:04

our brain operates in logic and reality and thoughts and words and the other half of our brain operates in other

42:11

stuff like art and music and singing so if you find you're getting overwhelmed

42:16

by and this could probably truthfully be an entire program unto itself talking about techniques and strategies to to

42:21

work with um the difficult times in your life but just to say quickly here one

42:28

way to get out of that thought process is to draw and it's to draw sometimes

42:34

with your non-dominant hand or both hands at the same time and it doesn't matter if you're good artist or not it

42:40

doesn't matter what you draw or if you can even figure out what it is at the end it makes absolutely no difference

42:47

but it gets you out of your thought the thought stream in your brain and it literally forces you to change your mind

42:54

it literally then forces your nervous system in your body to shift um and a

43:00

lot of some of what I understand that the Brotherhood has done is has has made it impossible for people to talk about

43:07

what has happened to them and if you're in that state as well drawing can also shift you out they have not to my

43:14

knowledge and I forget who exactly said this it's not my idea I I read it

43:20

recently but to my knowledge they have not been able to to program you out of being able to draw so it's it's one way

43:28

to get yourself through that so if you can't bring because I I fully

43:35

appreciate mentally bringing yourself back to Jesus but there have been times and I haven't I haven't been able to do

43:41

that and there are times that other people can't do that so if you can go that direction for sure and if you can't

43:47

do something different whatever works whatever works use that technique that

43:53

is so good and that's what I'm really pressing into even on my my my healing Journey um is the the creative

44:02

expression um even though it's hard and sometimes I resist it um but you know

44:08

Dance Movement um drawing journaling singing playing an instrument um because

44:16

part of what they do is they split the right and left part of the brain and

44:22

that's part of what we mentioned earlier about the sodomy the Key of David is that in that process there's that

44:28

splitting and um so I'm I'm learning how

44:33

to make those connections back um right and it is through those Creative

44:39

Expressions and I think probably that's how I have even survived and been able to come out of that is singing and

44:46

worshiping was always a really part of my journey and I think that that's kept

44:51

me sane there were there are many many years that that was the only way I could connect with God that was it

45:01

yeah so it's yeah it's it's not uncommon it's very

45:06

common and you got to do what you can do where

45:12

you're at at the moment yeah so it it is a journey and again

45:20

just the encouragement to people not to get overwhelmed by it um when you start

45:26

to feel that come again to that the Simplicity of who Jesus is because that

45:32

is our safety I believe yep I think so I see a lot of I

45:39

it used to surprise me when I first um started

45:44

writing uh about this subject it astonished me that seemed like almost

45:50

everybody that came out uh and turned to Christianity because it didn't make

45:56

sense to me at that time not knowing you know then what I know now didn't make sense why everybody seemed to be line in

46:03

One Direction um and there are of course a number of different people who have not

46:09

there are some that have gone to Islam but if you look into their background they have significant church and uh

46:16

Christianity abuses in their family or in their background so in those cases it really makes sense but one of the things

46:22

that I wish I had known but have have come to kind of coales in my my mind recently and I actually talked about

46:28

this a couple weeks ago on a different podcast but that won't be public they they're not going to put that out

46:34

publicly so I'll say it again here which is I've come to I've come to understand

46:39

that the earth the earth world that we live in the three-dimensional world that we live in has two reigning kingdoms one

46:49

is the kingdom of God and one is the kingdom of Satan Luci or Lucifer whichever you prefer to call call him

46:54

and and both are I want I don't want to say fighting but they are competing in a

47:00

sense for our attention and they're competing for um pieces of us probably pieces of

47:08

us that I sure don't understand at this point yeah one competes for pieces of our soul or our whole soul and the other

47:15

uh would like us not to have to endure that hell um so I think of it like two

47:22

umbrellas right so you've got the umbrella that Pro that is protective M

47:27

uh and you can stand underneath that umbrella and be protected and be enveloped and encompassed in the kingdom

47:34

of God or you can be pulled underneath because I don't think anybody really

47:39

willingly goes to the kingdom of Lucifer I think it's a massive deception it's a pulling it's a trick it's like that you

47:46

know the the curved end of the cane and somebody reaches out and just grabs you and Yanks you across the you know

47:51

underneath as far as they can get um and so you're either underneath the umbrella

47:56

of the kingdom of God and his protections or you're underneath the umbrella of the kingdom of Satan in which case that umbrella is kind of like

48:04

a filter the deeper you go the more it filters out the light of God from being able to penetrate and get towards you so

48:10

we were talking about this in the in the in the um under the oaces of why would a

48:15

book like s book series like Harry Potter be written and and the whole point of that is to unwittingly pull

48:22

children underneath the umbrella of Satan um so so those are two places you

48:27

can be I don't think there's any other place I think you've got those two places and you're either under one or

48:32

you're under the other or you're halfway in between the two which I don't recommend that position either so going

48:39

into making a decision that you want the protection of God but it has to be a

48:44

decision it's God's Not Gonna always yank you that direction he really wants you to walk that way to seek him out to

48:53

figure out what you need to do to be protected and boy I'll tell you there's

48:58

no better way in my opinion of um uh of having to figure out how to be

49:05

protected uh then to start writing about the Brotherhood

49:11

because I got a quick education a very fast education in oh boy this is

49:18

interesting how do I get myself into this particular thing because I sure didn't expect that um but because you

49:25

know Lucifer does not not want this information out he's going to do whatever he can to keep it from getting out of course that won't work forever it

49:32

won't work long term um but he does you know he does make life miserable

49:39

if unless you know unless you really figure it out then you have to decide do I want to live under the agony or do I

49:45

not yeah because there's those two places to be so that's good and I I like

49:51

that illustration and I would just add that um part of the programming is to

49:59

believe that these two kingdoms are equal in um abilities and strengths and

50:06

so it's kind of like the superheroes the Marvel comets Comics you know it's like

50:12

you you root for the good guy but you know it's this back and forth like this

50:17

and we have to know that ultimately God has is more powerful and has a good

50:25

plan uh otherwise this is a really bad story and um you know it's like if God

50:31

isn't all powerful and then you know we have to wrestle through Free Will and

50:36

and God's sovereignty and each person has to kind of come you know both biblically and

50:42

personally to what they uh are about but I have to believe that God has a really

50:48

good plan of restoration that is going to make sense to all of us when we see

50:54

the whole picture it's just we don't see the whole picture right now we just see our little bit and so I I am believing

51:01

some powerful glory is on the way otherwise you know it would be easy to

51:07

just go H why fight this you know and so that's what gives me hope I wrestle with

51:12

that idea you know because it it seems like well if God has all this power

51:18

which we know he do on a mental level we know he does so if he has all this power why are we going through all this you

51:25

know I think kids coming out of the system coming out of trauma we all have that yeah thought process at some point

51:32

or another why on Earth you know if God's got all this power what is all this about I don't really get it why am

51:38

I going through this why did I what do you mean I had to go through what is this for you know kind of um really

51:44

wrestling and mulling over what the whole point of it is yeah but there is a

51:50

point and I don't think we know the bigger picture I think that it's it's a mystery so even if you don't know just

51:58

keep putting one foot in front of the other because there is a destination even if God doesn't need us to go

52:05

through all of this he doesn't need me to you know write all these articles he doesn't need you to remember whatever

52:12

you haven't remembered from your past I don't necessarily think it's it's a necessity but there's part of this

52:19

process that's important yes it's important it grows us in a way that I think will benefit us

52:27

in in some capacity at some future time that we don't even understand yeah and

52:33

and I'll admit you know every once in a while I come to a point where I go I just I can't do this anymore God you

52:39

know yeah and he's always gracious to say you don't have to right um but let

52:44

me tell you what will be the fruit if you keep on this journey yeah um and I I

52:50

hit that spot even recently and you know it was an it was an interesting place of

52:57

going um it's hard to describe It's like

53:03

because I'm in Ministry and it it's a challenging place to be on my journey to

53:09

I would never wish this on anyone and you know there's and it was at that time when I was just like I want to be nobody

53:15

and nothing I want to go hide you um you know but this place of you

53:23

know what if stuff comes up that's so bad that I can't handle it and other

53:28

people can't handle it and then I'd be letting people down you know yeah and this other place of I could just plateau

53:35

and pretend my way and stay right where I'm at and either one of those to me are

53:41

unacceptable you know and so it's like okay God I'm just trusting you to show

53:46

me the way through and you know the picture that he gives me um regularly is

53:52

he's just like just put your hand in mine and take the next St step yeah one

53:58

one thing at a time one one small thing at a time yep I I I have to say though

54:05

you know in thinking about therapeutic relationships that one of the

54:12

best and it's kind of odd that this one of the best um and most

54:18

informative times for me was when I got yelled at by someone who is not supposed

54:24

to be yelling at me I mean that was not that would not have been the therapeutic Manual of how to do things right so

54:32

there are and I don't think that the individual that did it felt very good about it and I sure didn't feel very

54:38

good about it but there was something about it that um in the long run was not only necessary but was incredibly

54:45

helpful yes and so sometimes you know it's not always good to go outside of of the bounds of good practice however um

54:54

sometimes you could do something that you think will inure somebody but in fact not only does not injure them but

54:59

kind of kickstarts them into a different level of healing that they weren't maybe

55:05

able to get to from where they were before so yeah I think it's you know go

55:12

ahead that's really good and I I think that's part of understanding all things work together for good yeah if we're

55:19

willing to release that to the Lord and um similarly I had some things happen

55:24

recently that triggered uh the person didn't mean to trigger but some things triggered but it was good

55:31

because I allowed the Lord to take me to a place where some new memories surfaced and was able to get a deeper level of

55:38

healing and so um I I like to there's a

55:43

a mentality that we tend to have in the church is um and it feels like it you

55:49

know I'm being attacked or the bad things are happening and all of those

55:54

but I I find so much more life when I go I am safe in the hands of God yeah and

56:02

if he allows things to come there's a reason and if I'm willing to work it out

56:08

with him it's going to be for my benefit um and it's what a friend of mine calls

56:14

righteous suffering and I I don't like that no I don't like it

56:21

either I think I think about that every time well like I wrote post recently

56:27

Lord help me um and it was the it created a lot of

56:34

consternation so uh and I you know I debated whether to publish it even

56:39

because I I knew at least one person I knew it would not please yeah um and those decisions are hard yeah you have

56:47

to to weigh a lot of different things do I do

56:53

I want someone to be to think that I'm an intentionally trying to harm them or

56:59

intentionally trying to tear down their closely heal beliefs and the answer to that is of course no at the same time

57:06

you either have truth yeah H as your primary goal

57:15

or you don't yeah and that I think is Central in healing for a lot of people

57:21

do you want the truth of what you've been through and sometimes the answer is no because it's just so painful yeah and

57:29

but I think when you back off from that pain and let Let Jesus handle it yeah

57:34

because he can then you can say yes and that's where the freedom comes the freedom comes in truth the freedom comes

57:42

when you know it all and it doesn't have a hold over you anymore that is so true and even

57:48

recently in my journaling it's so funny when I look back at it I'm like oh this is so hilarious to look at because you

57:54

know it is the Lord begins to reveal some truth and I go nope don't want to go there don't want

58:00

to and then then I then you know the other part of me goes no I do I do want

58:06

to know the truth so it's it's hard it's not easy it is a struggle it's a struggle and and it's

58:12

completely completely easy to Waffle back and forth between yeah I want to know no I don't yes I do no I don't oh

58:19

dear which millisecond am I gonna land on yeah yeah but then you know the truth

58:24

the truth will say set us free free yeah what the Bible says Christ is truth

58:33

God is truth yeah and that's I think the way to get to one of the ways to get to

58:41

God is to strip away everything that isn't truth yes you strip it all away

58:46

you lay it bare you stomp on the father of Lies you get rid of the devil you

58:52

kick him to the curb and then when you've got truth left over that's when you've got a free and clear

58:58

path to sit to sit with God 100% of the

59:04

time and it's such a better place to be than anywhere you can imagine and that's

59:10

the hard part too how do you convince somebody to go through all this Agony to get rid of and strip off all this

59:16

nonsense that they've layered upon you and layered and layered like bad paint job right you know you got a kitchen of

59:22

a house that was built in the 1800s and you got to take off 900 layers of paint

59:28

and it's not fun and it's smelly and it's hard work and it it just is is

59:34

agonizing but the reward at the end is so much better than you can imagine and

59:39

that's what I tell my clients and groups particularly new clients and new groups is you know this could get a whole lot

59:45

worse before it gets better oh not good oh not good it will and even though I

59:51

say that still people get into it you know and it's like well I'm not getting better and it's like like well yeah when

59:58

we stop all of the covering over of everything and we bring it into the

1:00:03

light it is painful Y and it can feel like it's worse for a season but I I'm

1:00:09

grateful that I'm pressing through and um that's all I can say me too because

1:00:14

every single person every single person that comes out of this horrendous

1:00:21

tradition first of all stops it for the subsequent Generations which is part of

1:00:27

getting this Brotherhood crap out of out of the world you know so when you come

1:00:34

out you stop it from happening to your kids and their kids Etc and you also add

1:00:40

to the you add to the knowledge that then gives the whole puzzle right you've

1:00:45

got your puzzle piece and your puzzle piece locks with someone else's or

1:00:50

overlaps and um and then having more than you know I think of the people that

1:00:56

have been been out and talking for three decades and they are to be cherished yes

1:01:03

however there's so many more people with so many more stories and those people

1:01:08

who have been beating the path for 30 years are going to be ecstatic when you

1:01:14

and the rest of the individuals are able to bring forth what you know too because

1:01:20

it will vindicate what they have been talking about so good what a conversation we're

1:01:26

going to wrap it up here but this has been so good Veronica thank you for uh engaging with me on some things

1:01:33

that are really difficult to talk about yeah well thank you for having me here I

1:01:39

appreciate it boy I didn't expect to be here for the third time when I contacted you last December but I love our

1:01:47

conversation so thank you for for having having me on and for sharing your story

1:01:53

with me that's an honor to hear it thank you and hopefully more conversations to come

1:01:59

so and I just want to bless those of you who are listening and just encourage you

1:02:04

it is worth the journey and so again just the Simplicity of putting your hand

1:02:11

in the hand of true Jesus and taking that next step it is worth it so we'll look forward to seeing you

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next time on testimony

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